to a special huckabee. gosh we have so much time we'd almost have him for another bear alert. not yet. i'm julie banderas, see you next weekend. next weekend. 2, 1... later! captioned by closed captioning services, inc. ♪ ♪ >> announcer: ladies and gentlemen, governor mike governor mike huckabee. [applause]. >> hi, everybody, hello and welcome, welcome to huckabee on the fox news channel from the fox news studios in new york city. well, tonight, dr. david katz from yale university school of medicine on why our entire health care system is backwards. also, former secretary of state james baker one of the most distinguished public servants and the senior statesman of recent american history will giving his take on our government's deteriorating leadership with one of our traditionally strongest allies and also, he was one of the
usa's shining stars during last month's winter olympics. figure skating championship evan lysacek. he's now dancing with the stars and he and his partner anna will be joining us tonight and rocker edwin mccain is here to perform his big hit "i'll be." he'll do that with the little rockers and more on tonight's show. [applaus [applause] >> last week we did a live special hour and we focused on the big health care debate that was going on in washington and of course, the vote was that very weekend. we asked you to send us some e-mails and boy, did you ever. nearly 7400. and i'm going to read all of them now. we'll be finished next week. obviously, we can't read all of them on air, we did actually read all 7400 of them, but here is what i want to just sort of say to you, as we read them we found there were nine sort of
overarching categories, you see those over my shoulder and those are the various categories and there's no way we can read them all, but i want to try to respond to a few and then, i'm going to talk to you a little about the law of the unintended consequences. and this sort of summarizes many of the questions you had, but let me just give you a sampling of e-mails that we had. for example, wayne want today know what are the chances of repealing this bill if the republicans take over the majority of congress again. one of the big categories, over 1250 e-mails on should this bill be repealed? now, you're going to hear a lot of different people, particularly republicans say, yes, we ought to repeal it, but here is the problem. there are some good things in that bill. there are some things that you probably wouldn't be' posed to, even if you didn't like the bill or didn't like the process or didn't like the price tag. not everything in there. i mean, look, 2700 pages? surely you can find something you like in it and frankly, you can, so, if the republicans push for an overall repeal, what that
probably means is, the democrats will simply pull out six or seven really nice things and say what, you want to get rid of this? so the republicans now, i believe, need to focus on specific replacements ab substitutes for the things that are really problematic, the take away your liberty, that intrude upon your privacy or cost too dog gone much money or ineffective and we'll talking about what some of those might be during the course of the show. a lot of questions about military tri care and george wants to know does it affect anything in military tri care. absolutely not. one of the few areas untouched by this incredibly large monstrosity of a bill is tri care. a lot of people were curious about congressional complaints, over 1300 of you wanted to know if the health care is so good, why is congress exempt from it? that's just the typical comment we had. that one was from keith who said what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
you don't understand, people who work in congress don't consider themselves part of the geese flock. they consider themselves having a different nest and they plan to feather it with your money and that's what they're doing. interestingly enough, you're probably aware of this, members of congress made it so conveniently their staffers and they themselves don't have the health care the rest of us have to have under the bill. now, a law was passed, but i think there's perhaps even more focus needs to be placed on what is the law of the unintended consequences. what did happen in this bill that maybe even the members of congress who voted for it never really intended? and i'm going to talk to you about some of those things. just you and me. we're going to have a real conversation. you better not go away because this is stuff you haven't heard and i'll be right back to tell you of the law that was really passed, the law of unintended consequences. [applause]. en you stay two separate times...
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(applause) >> welcome back. well, as i said we had a lot of e-mails, you have an extraordinary level of interest in what's happening in your world and with your life and with your health insurance. now, the president is pretty much demonized the health insurance company and i understand that, it's easy to be mad at insurance companies. a couple of things you might not be aware of. for example, are you aware that medicare is twice as likely to deny your claim as any private insurance companies? look, i'm not trying to be overly defensive of the insurance companies, but i want to talk about some of the laws of unintended consequences that i think we need to know. here is one. i believe that within five to ten years the only person or entitle that will be insuring anybody will be the gocht. let me explain why. if insurance companies are forced to insure people without any consideration for their state of health at the point at which they insure them. then you realize there's no way that insurance companies can stay in business. i'm going to ask my studio audience, how many of you drive
cars? can i see your hands. most everybody. keep your hand up for a second. if you drive a car, how many of you have insurance? some type of insurance on your car. all of you, because if you don't you're breaking the law, just making sure you understood that. it's different here, you don't have to have insurance that covers collision and comprehensive for theft. you have to have liability to protect the other guy, not yourself and if a bank owns part of your car, you have to have it to protect the bank's interest, but once you own your car the only thing you have to protect is the other guy. here is the question, suppose you had an insurance policy for your car that covered everything, oil changes, gasoline, covered the wiper blades. would that insurance policy cost you more than the one you currently have? a lot more? of course it would. what about your home? all of you here have home owners insurance or renters insurance. what if it covered everything, mowing the grass, it covered your utility bills, could you afford it? >> no.
>> mike: no, you couldn't. because it would be cost prohibitive. here is one, what if you could buy the insurance after you had the claim? no, seriously let's say you call up and say i'd like to insurance your house. tell me about your house. it's burned to a crisp. and that's crazy. what if you say i need life insurance, 3 million dollars. who is it for. my husband. how old is he? well, he died yesterday. you can't do that, can you? when you ask the insurance companies to insure someone after the fact of their illness, look, it sounds wonderful to say we should force these evil insurance companies to do that, as long as you understand that what you're asking them to do is to automatically become unprofitable and there's no way they can stay in business. for some people that's dietfully good news they don't want them to be in business and if you want a totally government-run health care, we're rapidly in
that way and i will predict not many insurance companies can operate where the government says you take all comers and can't limit anything. anybody if they have any neurons at all will be insured by the government and the second one two classes of medical care and aim going to say that so you'll understand, two classes of medical care, one concierge care for the wealthy people who can afford what they want at other class of care will be the class of care that basically poor people in this country will have. when i hear about universal coverage you'll have it, but line up for it, wait long periods of time and i'm going to explain why. doctors now under the new rules will be forced to take a payment that is set by the federal government. they will be force today give a service determined by the federal government. the problem is that many physicians have worked very hard, they owe a lot of money from medical school and they will end up having a market based choice, they can go to work in essence for the plans that the government allows and creates and be limited or what
will happen, people with money aren't going to want to sit in a doctor's waiting room for a period of time and we'll see more and more people go to private physicians and say, i will pay personally whatever it costs because they can. what does had a mean? it means a whole lot of people are going to get extraordinarily good care, excuse me, some people will get extraordinarily good care and a whole lot of people will get mediocre care and i totally understand we don't want a system that leaves truly needy people without a safety net. now, let me be very clear. a safety net is a good thing. a hammock is a bad thing. and a safety net means that you're going to be protected from those calamities that you can't do anything about, but the hammock means that you're basically going to be given whatever you want whenever you want it, and somebody else is going to pay for it. let me mention another, loss of medical innovation, we're going to tax and put penalties on companies that sell medical devices and we're going to put a big, big, just, bonus hit on the
pharmaceutical companies. sounds very popular. after all they're making a lot of money, but i doubt there's a person here or any of you, in fact, i would just ask this question how many of you have takes and prescription medication in the last three months? pretty much everybody here. now notice i didn't say a nonprescription narcotic or an illicit drugs because we have people who watch from the dea. i want to make sure i don't get my audience in trouble. most of us have prescription medication for something. many of those prescription medications are relatively new and do extraordinarily good things for us and keep us out of the hospital and are much less expensive than would be a long-term illness or maybe the calamities that would come. what happens when drug companies no longer work to innovate, when medical device companies don't create those wonderful prosthetics that make it possible for a person who lost a limb in the iraq war to come back and still be able to walk or even run marathons. that happens when there's incentive, a profit to be able
to do those things. the law of unintended consequence is when there's no incentive and when those things cease to be created and we don't get the benefits from them. now, let me think of something else here. there's a marriage penalty in this bill. you may not have thought about it, but you're going to be hit with additional taxes if you or your small business makes $200,000. if you and your spouse make $250,000, then you fall under that tax swell. now, think about this. an individual, 200,000. for additional $50,000 and many small businesses operate with gross income of far more than that, even though they don't make that much money, the problem is that if you're two people living together, you get a $400,000 exemption. if you're married, it's limited to $250. i don't know if my wife understands this, but we might be better off...
(laughter) >> no, i'm not going to do that, not going there. here is another thing, a lot of questions about abortion, it will be covered. noi that there was an executive order signed. i was a governor ten and a half years and signed lots of executive orders and did it all the time and i'll tell you how they work. if an executive order means that you tell the people in the agencies within the executive branch what they have to do within the condition text of what your control is. but i could say to the employees at the health department when i was governor, all of you are able to have an hour and a half for lunch on friday. i could do that by executive order. but if the legislature, the next legislative session came in and said no state employee can have a lunch longer than 45 minutes then my executive order doesn't mean didley squat. because law always trumps executive order that's why we have the branches of government that we have. when president obama said we are going to have the executive order, what he said haha.
the bill has passed and i'll sign a piece of paper nullified. and when people say it's under the-- . the community health centers where most likely place for abortion funding happens is outside of the funding of the health awn human services budget which is where the hideman applies, it does not apply to the specific funding stream of the community health organizations. so there was some congressmen either knew better and weren't honest with us or didn't know better and if they didn't, why in the heck are they still in congress? and that may be the biggest question. if you're really upset about the way things have turned out, there is something you can do about it and it's not make angry phone calls or threaten anybody. i'll tell you what you can do. if you want to punch something. punch a ballot not a person. and don't get all angry and scream and yell. that doesn't solve anything. what really does solve america's problems is when americans realize that we, the people, still have the power.
and that's my view and i hope that if you have a view you'd like to share with me, mike huckabee, foxnews.com feedback section, love to hear from you. coming up i'm going to talk to a doctor, he says the health care bill will save money and it will make us healthier, a fair and balanced discussion is coming up next. you don't want to miss this. stay with us. (applause). for all the momene every day special. fancy feast appetizers. [dinner bell chimes] high quality ingredients like wild alaskan salmon in a delicate broth, without by-products or fillers. fancy feast appetizers. celebrate the moment.
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>> i think by full disclosure you and i have been friends for a long time. indeed. >> mike: and a lot of health issues we share a passion about. >> right. >> mike: i think probably if we sat down many things about which we agree and there are some things we don't. you liked this bill, so sell me and tell me what's good about it? >> all right, and then i want to react to some of what you were saying earlier. >> mike: ai'm not going to let you do that. >> your you're the host and have the home court advantage. >> mike: i'll let you do that. >> what i think i like is how much i dislike the former status quo. i imagine on the political minutia and the economic detail you have a far greater mastery than i. i'm a doctor and i take care of people. it's the human element that called out to me and frankly, we have been denying millions and millions of people reasonable access to the system. they don't get primary care, they don't get prevent tiff care, they really can't afford it, the only thing they can
afford is to deal with the crisis after it happens. because then they have no choice because then even if they can't afford it and they go bankrupt. it gets dealt with anya way, frankly we all that the common humidity and don't look at the victim of a shark attack on the beach and say maybe we'll stop the bleeding if they can pay for the care. we provide the care and sort out the economics after that. fixing that and making sure everybody has basic access inis a fundamental human right issue long overdue. do we need this particular 2700 pages it fix that, maybe not and you know-- >> that's what i care about most. >> mike: the access to primary care, i would love to see of greater focus on preventive care. one of the my problems with the bill it didn't put enough focus, 80% of the money we spend is on chronic disease and doesn't address that. i've asked many, many people who supported the bill define health care, tell me at what point does
it start. a breast implant, lasik surgery, knee replacement? what is basic health care, that's going to determine what it costs and how many people can utilize it. >> it's a really interesting question. first of all, you and i, i think, both agree fundamentally when we talk about reforming the health care system in this country, we're actually talking about fixing the disease care system because most of this is about after the fact. hospitals don't really build health. this is where you go to try the best you can to put humpty dumpty back together again. health is where people live and love and work and play and i think we agree, really, the reform that we truly need. the next big resolution is about health and building that and i think it's critical to have a good disease care system and you raised a very important question. what is basic access that everyone should have, what part of this is right, what part of it's a privilege. we're moving in the direction of at least wrestling with the chamgs.
we published in archives of internal medicine where we described a model called embrace and this model actually had three tiers, the first tier would be basic access protection of life and limb and we really would have to work fairly hard to say what exactly is the bound of this, what does everybody get, preventive care, primary care, crisis care, there's some stuff where you should have a co-pay and a deductible and it's somewhat discretionary and might be elective procedures and cost. >> mike: somebody's got to make that determination. >> qualified. >> mike: is it going to be under this bill it's got to be the federal government and i think that's what gives a lot of people concerned. these are people who spent $600 on a toilet seat and screwdriver for the military. do we want them deciding what we we get? >> back when it was rolling, tom daschle, his suggestion was a
panel a multi-disciplinary, doctors, parents, teachers, clergy, lawyers, different ends of the political spectrum putting boundaries around what is the care everybody should get. i agree, it's a challenging question, frankly attempting to answer it is better than ignoring. if basic access needs to be a right. the shark attack gets treated we both agree. >> mike: of course. you go into a room of lawyers, you come away. you've been with the sharks, i get it. >> clearly, that requires acute care for sure. but you know, clearly we would agree, you know, if you're bleeding and your life is on the line you get treated and your limb. what if it's just the digit, what if it's just the nail and where do we draw the line? it's hard to do. >> mike: what do you like specifically in this bill that you think is going to make it less expensive and better for every american, including you and me and the folks sitting out here today watching? >> in terms of the expense, frankly we need better
standardization of care, a number of things have to happen. we need more prevention and there's some focus on that, and my colleagues help promotion are for the most part cheering, but what i techly like, mike, we're paying for the care of underinsured right now and they wait for a crisis, it's ineffective and expense zych. that will be drawn out of the shadows that we can see and react to and i think that's better, but i defer to the congressional budget office and they say economically this is a move up. the fundamental thing i care about this moves us a major stride in the direction of acknowledging, the basic health care access is a human right and the united states of america, compassionate people, whatever our politics, we agree that life and limb should being taken care of. where to draw the line, i think, we can debate that for some time. >> mike: and we're going to and let me tell you what, when you come back you've got to promise
me you will. >> i will, i will. >> mike: i want to pick it up there because the issue, the right, the right of life where does that start and for many of us pro-life people that's an issue we've got to talk about. >> we'll talk about that next time. doctor, great to see you again, always a pleasure. dr. david katz. he served under presidents reagan, bush 41 and president form. former secretary of state james baker is going to be joining us next. no one is better position to share insights into the world. we'll be right back. imagine being at thirty thousand feet with a plane full of kids. and you have a heart attack. that's what happened to me. i'm on an aspirin regimen now. my doctor told me it's the easiest preventative thing you can do. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. see your doctor. simple.
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anti-corruption efforts. pope benedict xvi, opening holy week for catholics worldwide and made no direct reference to the priest's sex scandal during mass in st. peter's square. and one prayer was for the young and those protecting them. and the pope is criticized for his handle of the sex scandal when he was archbishop of munich. for the latest headlines log on to foxnews.com. >> . >> mike: my next guest served as secretary of state. secretary of the treasury and white house chief of staff. lady and gentlemen, joining us from houston, secretary james baker. mr. baker, a pleasure to have you here. >> thank you, a pleasure to be with you. >> mike: i called you a senior statesman for a genuinely good reason. you serve in that role. in that role, i want to ask you
about an issue that's been very hot this week and that's america's relationship with israel it appeared that the president, somewhat from my perspective anyway i'd like to get yours, seems to have snubbed the prime minister of israel when he visited and seems to be unhappy about the israelis building in jerusalem. your perspective? >> well, my perspective on that, governor, is this, that we first of all, i think everybody needs to understand that i don't care whether you have a republican administration or a democratic administration in power, we will always be there for israel. israel is our close ally, we have an affinity with her from a cultural standpoint, from a security standpoint, from a democratic standpoint. so, regardless of the fact that there are periodically tensions in the relationship, the united states will always about be there in terms of israel's security and that's whether we have a democratic president or a republican president. francly, frankly, let me say
that i think that what the president is doing now is quite acceptable and appropriate and let me tell you why. when vice-president biden went to israel he was greeted with the announcement of a very large settlement. ever since the founding of the state of israel settlement activity has been against the policy of the united states, again, whether it was a republican administration or a democratic administration. and the reason for that, governor, is because creating facts on the ground forecloses the opportunity to negotiate peace through an exchange of land for peace under u.n. resolution 242 and 338 and that's the only real basis you're ever going to get peace between arabs and israelis. >> mike: since oslo we really haven't seen that work very effectively. so there are those of us, i consider myself one of them, who
wonder whether the idea of land for peace is very effective. israel doesn't have much land to start with when they give it up it didn't seem they get a great deal of peace from it. >> when we're talking about land for peace it's not giving up israel's land, it's giving up occupied arab lands and i would suggest to you the only borders that israel has that are secured are her borders with egypt and jordan where she has negotiated on the basis for land for peace and negotiated a peace, a secure peace and when administrations, again, whether democratic or republican suggest that there ought to be a negotiation of land for peace, they're not talking about a piece of paper they're talking about a secure peace and any agreement of course will have to have very intrusive elements of verification, inspection and so forth to make sure it is a secure peace. you know, we do have, we do have a lot of interest in that part
of the world. one of the interests we have is making sure that there's stability there. that's why we're working, why many of american administrations have opposed the idea of the development of a nuclear weapon by iran. we worry about that both from the standpoint of israel's security and from the standpoint of the security of our arab allies in that region and those are saudi rabia and jordan. >> mike: i need to move on to iran. you mentioned the possibility of iran, they clearly have the objective of developing nuclear capacity and i don't think it's just to generate electricity for iran, but don't you see a difference between the iranian leadership and the iranian people have long been our allies and the iranian government is
not. >> absolutely. that's why he think when you talk about leaving the military option on the table and i think we always ought it do that as a diplomate, as secretary of state. i always found that it was easier to be a successful diplomate when you were negotiating with a-- you always leave a military option on the table. but again, to take a-- to utilize a military strike that with not prevent iran from developing a weapon, but just delay it, which many authorities suggest would be the case, all you do by doing that is strengthen the hard line regime and you hurt, as a matter of fact, the people in the streets. we need to support those reformers, we need to support them in many ways through the broadcast of radio and programs in there and farsi through a whole host of other means
including covert activity. >> mike: mr. secretary, i want to ask you very much for joining me today. it's an honor to have you with us, i thank you for the efforts you're doing there through the baker institute at rice university and for, again, the senior statesmanship you brought to this country. thank you, again for giving up part of your saturday to be with us (applause) >> well, technique on the ice made him a champion, can he transform those moves and be crowned king of the dance floor? figure skating gold medallist evan lysacek and his partner anna will be joining us next. [ female announcer ] it's lobsterfest... when we turn lobster into irresistible creations. like new wood-grilled lobster and parmesan scampi... our signature lobster lover's dream... and eleven more choices. right now at red lobster.
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[ applause ] >> mike: don't miss the huckabee report every monday through friday. three times a day on over 500 radio stas a >> don't miss the huckabee report across 500 stations across the country. if you're not hearing it on your favorite station, it shouldn't be your favorite station. click on the huckabee report. well, he stood on the top podium as the star spangled banner for all to hear when he was the surprise winner of the gold in the men's figure skating at last month's winter olympic games, but he's since taken off the skates and put on his dancing shoes and busting a move on a different surface. ♪ ♪ ♪
>> joining us now from los angeles where they're practicing for next week's performance for dancing with the stars, olympic gold medallist evan lysacek and his dancing partner anna. great to have you here. >> hi. >> mike: evan, great to see you, evan, it looked like you were mastering not only the figure skating, but the dance routine, you're a big hit with the crowd. tell me about the transition from skating it dancing, what kind of challenges did that present? >> well, it definitely has been a challenge, but it's been so enjoyable for me to learn something new. i think just, i've spent 16 years of my life training as an individual and going through, you know, the daily grind and the prep for competition alone and to do it with my partner holding my hand and to have really someone there to bounce everything off of has been a real blessing and i'm having a great time so far. >> america is very proud of you
for the gold medal. >> thank you. >> mike: a medal that frankly you snuck up on everybody just clearly just wowed the judges and wowed this country and the world with your routine (applause). >> thank you >> but i've got to ask anna, you've seen him skate and now worked with him as a dance partner. has he got the stuff? >> well, he's definitely a hard worker and that's why he has a gold medal. but it's actually been lots of fun training with him because he's used to doing everything by himself and now he has another person as he just mentioned and it's been kind of fun because he's perfectly on balance by himself and when another body comes to the equation, he starts to fall around. so it's kind of funny. >> you know, one of the questions that i would have a view anna, you obviously are able to work with a gold medal olympian champion like evan. what about a guy like me?
>> yeah. >> mike: do you think there's ever-- >> you know. >> mike: yeah. >> yeah, i think so because last season, i actually was working with a fighter and he was born to like kill people. >> mike: i'm not born for that, i want you to know. >> exactly. so you like in between of an mma fighter and the figure skater so you're somewhere in between. >> mike: evan, i want to ask you when you stood on the stage at the olympic games, you heard the star spangled playing and you know that you're standing singularly atop not just that podium. you're standing on top of the world. tell me what emotions were going through you at that moment. hand over your heart and the gold on your chest. >> i think the whole time i was in vancouver, i was particularly infected with the olympic spirit, maybe more than a lot of other people and more than my first time in tureeno and it was
at that moment it was a realization to me yes, i was one story of the vancouver olympics and the stoifr of the games are really the soul of it, but i guess i felt at that i was such a small part of the whole olympic movement and this novel teas been going on for hundreds of years and just truly honored that my story and the story of the men's free skate in vancouver could be a legacy forever and there's so many great stories from all the olympics, but especially from vancouver of triumph and victory and also of defeat and drama and i think that's what made it a particularly special games this time. >> mike: evan, you made america very proud and i have a feeling that you're going to make america very proud again with anna's coaching help. no doubt about it, you guys are on your way to something spectacular. you know, i just believe anna is the right partner for you and you've got to do great things. by the way.
thank you, she's great. >> mike: she is great and evan and anna you guys picked edwin mccain's hit, i'll be, guess who's here to be here to perform with the little rockers? edwin mccain. he's going to join our house band and say hello to him and let edwin say hello to you. >> oh, thank you ♪ i'll be better when i'm older ♪ so many arthritis pain relievers --
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edwin to be on the show to perform with the little rockers, welcome edwin mccain. glad to have you here (applause) >> say hello to edwin and anna out in california. >> good morning, good to see you. >> hi. >> thanks for using my song. >> my phone blue up at 9:30, who's calling me at 9:30 at night. your song is on dancing with the stars, check it out. >> we love that song, we kept requesting it until they gave it to us. >> excellent, excellent, thank you edwin wants you to keep doing his material as much as you can. evan and anna, thank you very much for being with us. >> thank you. >> it's been a pleasure. >> thank you. >> mike: we've had great songs, this one we'll do "i'll be" is probably the signature song everyone knows you for on the cd the best of edwin mccain and by the way everyone in the studio audience is getting a copy (applause) >> and the people at home will be ordering theirs off edwin.com. now, when we're going to do the
song and then you've got a brand new song that's just gorgeous, we'll maybe do a little bit of it. it's about a wedding. >> it is, yeah, a friend of ours asked me to write a song for their wedding and it was right about the time i was expecting my little girl and so the two events sort of came together into the song idea and my writing partner and i maya sharp wrote this song and it's been a real blessing, you know, at this point in my career to have another song kind of moving into its place is just a miracle, really, i love it. i can't be more grateful. >> mike: well, as a dad whose daughter is getting married in may, i can't hear it without crying. so let's go to the other song before i start bawling. let's do the great hit song "i'll be". ♪ the strength in your eyes the colors and wonderful steal my
breath ♪ ♪ and emeralds from mountains and cross the sky now... ♪ ♪ and there'll be, we belong together ♪ ♪ truss it up with the trappings of love ♪ ♪ and hang from your love, m above ♪ ♪ ♪ and i'll be your crying shoulder ♪ ♪ i'll be love's side ♪ i'll be better when i'm older ♪ ♪ he'll be the greatest man of your life ♪
that's going to be our show tonight, but we're going to close it out with edwin's brand new song you're going to love this, you got to get it. i'm telling you, it will tear you up. so while you're listening while we're crying from all of us in new york from huckabee, have a great night. here is the song "walk with you". [applause]. captioned by closed captioning services, inc ♪ i'll take this so sweet walk with you ♪ ♪ you'll let go of my hand to say i do ♪ ♪ and he will discover just how blessed life can be ♪